Thanks for the reply Ming really appreciate! Still impressive just how much of the highlights they’re holding, and how smooth the rolloff is – despite being a very hard reflection. There are 5 wide-angle lenses for Pentax 645Z and 645D cameras. However, it seems that Photoshop does not recognize the lens profile automatically. Proud of you! There’s probably an easy 1.5-2 stops at both ends; practically, the D800E seems to have around 13.5 usable* stops at base ISO. The Schneider isn’t easily available, and frankly after trying the 50 and 90mm – I don’t have a lot of confidence in it. I would use the new Zeiss APO (135mm,. These 2 systems are in similar price range. - Page 7 - The GetDPI Photography Forums, Review: the 2019 Olympus ZD 12-200 f3.5-6.3, Long term lens review: the Nikon AF-S 24-120 f4 VR G, Macro shootout on Micro Four Thirds: four lenses, one winner. That said, I think there are some physical limits at work here: if you want that kind of rendering relationship between FOV and DOF, you need a certain sensor size. Why do you choose the Epson 9900 over the HP HP Designjet Z3200ps 44-in photo printer and the canon imagePROGRAF iPF8400?? I’ve been looking at the old Pentax 67 LS lenses but they are supposedly pretty soft. That edge might not actually hold any perceivable detail (i.e. I actually run the D800E pretty close to default. A whopping 15+% of the population works in the civil service, for starters. The Pentax 645D and the Pentax 645Z are two professional cameras that were revealed to the public, respectively, in March 2010 and April 2014. Noise If I did not have a 645D and was shopping for a Pentax MFD, I would probably go for the 645Z. His 15 minutes are over. Best, William. Finally, we have the Pentax 645 twins: their operation is more seamless than any other medium format camera I’ve used so far (though granted I have not had a chance to try the new Phase One cameras) and its handling doesn’t need much introduction because it’s much like an overgrown DSLR. While you may not see much resolution difference, depending upon printed output size, you are likely to see better colour capture from a scanner. I wanted to see how the best DSLR on the market the Nikon D850 performs against the Pentax 645z. I have made a few brief visits to Singapore, but have never seen KL. Ignore the slightly different focal planes/ depths of field. Note also that because of the much longer flange back distance compared to say 35mm and mirrorless, production tolerance issues are much less noticeable. Popular Pentax 645AF2 Mount Lenses for 645D and 645Z. Fascinating. It’s tough to pick a camera system today that is not capable of meeting the needs of nearly anyone. Pentax 645Z. ). If you are used to the D…then surely the Z would give you everything you needed? I think there’s no question that there’s a frightening amount of resolution here – note the reflections in the bolts, and the textural differentiation in the brake calliper. But canon offers 700ml inks tanks too, similiar priced 300 us bucks like for epson…. I would use P67 45 f/4 with adapter for 645D. Amazing. I wouldn’t do this in the real world, of course – I apply custom profiles to all of my cameras to make results visually consistent. Eduardo, Thanks Eduardo. Ming, to return to your review, there would be no point in using the Leica S (type 006) as a comparator as you have already compared the S2 and the D800E in a previous article. The Pentax 645Z is a medium format crossover camera and update to the popular Pentax 645D. Ming, in this day and age of advanced CMOS I’m still a bit of a sucker for the V. So, thank you for this comparison. I think both top out at around 12-12.5 stops; they certainly clip with more regularity than the D800E, let alone the 645Z. The same may also hold true for some of the Elinchrom RX Packs along with their slower (long duration) “S” strobes. Otherwise, Pentax 645Z is the better camera overall. I’m sorry to read of your wife’s illness and hope as with the others for a complete and speedy recovery for her. In fact, a 645Z file downsized to match my D4 blows it out of the water in noise, acuity and dynamic range – by more than two stops. So far I’ve been using a Fuji X-Pro for most stuff (casual/workshop shots, in progress reports etc) and borrowing a friends Nikon D3 for finished jobs/more pro-looking shots. ISO 800 – and remarkably little hue shift or noise in this zone, even for the CFV. The photosites would be much smaller, which would affect noise, SNR, color, dynamic range, acuity, and even interaction with optics, to some extent. The CFV’s format is double the size of the D800E, and as a consequence there’s a noticeable amount more defocus – as expected. Think of this as a continuation of my initial three part review, here, here and […], […] Choices, choices, choices. Still, it gets the job done. From the comments it seems like she is down with Dengue. If used with a 645z and with a lens you would recommend for digitizing mostly 35mm Fuji Velvia slides and various other 35mm slide films plus 35mm negatives. I bought the 645Z some time ago. I think such insanely high taxes can be justified only if your government are creating the environment in which local manufacturing can be developed and flourish. Whilst the V series is perfect for studio work because the leaf shutter will give you flash sync all the way to their 1/500s maximum speed, and relatively small maximum apertures (f4 for all of the leaf lenses except the 80mm, which is f2.8) and manual focus only aren’t very important, they’re not so good for outdoor reportage and available light work – precisely because you’re restricted to f4 and 1/500s. The difference between the 200/4 and 4/150 was so great that I’d probably pick the 4/150 over the 200/4; despite 33% more focal length, extra resolved detail is negligible. 44 x 33mm vs 43.8 x 32.8mm; 150shots longer battery life? Gary. Though this is an area difference of some 40%, the linear difference is much less – more like 20%. As a system, the Pentax 645 debuted in the mid 1980s as a medium format, 6 x 4.5cm film camera. ISO 100. Both cameras have Medium format sensors but Pentax 645D has a 40.0 MP and Pentax 645Z has a 51.0 MP resolution. In 2015, the 645Z won the TIPA Award for the Best Medium Format Camera.. I did read it on the same way I read the passionate chronicles of the chess world championship matches; I don’t understand very much but I like them : ). The problem is that I just wasn’t using it. Leica S … The D810 is available here (B&H, Amazon). Thanks for taking the time to share this with us. reframing the world one picture at a time. ;) Ideal samples showing the capabilities of the resolution monsters (as well as of you!!!!) (though now that the misconceptions are cleared up, you’ll have to go back to being an international man of mystery. Example – the Pentax 25/4 is equivalent to 19mm on the D800, but the Zeiss 21 just ‘looks’ wider because of the way it renders…, Thanks for the detailed review. The only reason I’d buy a 645D is as a backup in a situation where I only want to carry one set of lenses/ accessories, but to be honest, the penalty for a D800E and a couple of lenses isn’t so much more – but you’d get more flexibility as a bonus. However, this system as a digital option has one enormous catch: because the film capture area was meant to be square, the viewfinder and controls were laid out in such a way as to only work in one orientation. Also, the CCD cameras will punish underexposure and post-processing recovery quite badly with noise and colour shifts in the shadows; this penalty doesn’t seem to be anywhere near as harsh with the CMOS cameras. , Unfortunately, as Ken Rockwell once said of Leica, they are a company with “decades of tradition, unhampered by progress.” So the chances of them producing an E-M1-type S camera anytime soon are nil. The model retains the same physical size medium-format sensor but ups the … Today Pentax announced its first medium-format digital camera. Well, not having used either the duplicator (I don’t even believe there are any for sale) or the 5000ED, I can’t really say…. Review is under a second on the 645Z, and reviewing/ zooming/ menus etc. So, enjoy it while it lasts , Hi Ming: I really enjoy your site, and the work is top notch. But 20k+ on a 50k shutter is not so good. No sharpening was applied to any of the comparison images. All cameras were shot raw and processed through ACR CS5.5, because this is what I normally use in my workflow. If it were me, I think the CVF is the one I wouldn’t be able to get rid of. Pentax 645D and Pentax 645Z have the same Pentax 645AF2 lens mount and currently there are 6 native lenses available for these cameras. Depends on what kind of a house you want. First of all, my best wishes to your wife for a speedy recovery. Homes here are being bought to live in, and there is a shortage. As you say, the 20% linear difference isn’t massively apparent, and with the faster glass options (c.f., rendering) available for Nikon, mmm… The 645D is murdered by the Z, so it’s obvious that the 645D can just be forgotten about. On the other hand, please keep in mind that Max sensor resolution is not the only determinant of resolving power. It scores camera sensors for color depth (DXO Portrait), dynamic range (DXO Landscape) and low-light sensitivity (DXO Sports), and also gives them an overall score. You can print your images larger or crop more freely. Shadow dynamic range, ISO 800 – If we take a look into the shadows, you can see the CMOS cameras pull far ahead – the 645Z looks to be a bit lighter than the D800E, despite an identical highlight exposure, which suggests that most of its extra dynamic range lies in the deep shadows. The Z is tempting, but I hesitate to commit; the future is smaller, lighter systems. Include description. Advantages I see for my wide angle stuff, are the higher resolution in 645Z and better ISO performance than 800E. No access to a Coastal 60 sadly. Congrats on this great 645Z follow-up piece, looking forward to your long term thoughts in future. Clearly you don’t think many take him seriously either. My own methodology has simply been trial and error over loads of scenes/lighting to adjust to taste. I compare the 645z vs 35mm systems to the drum scanner compared to other good quality mainstream flatbed scaners. Thanks, What I get out of the camera is great--I print large on 44" roll paper. to the CFV (it is CFV and not CVF isn’t it. Being used to the D800E, I found the 645Z even more impressive: it almost didn’t clip at all, despite being shot under extremely high contrast situations during the test period. I turned off all Digital ICE4 settings. A have a question. Currently there are 2 lenses with Image stabilization for Pentax 645AF2 mount. I can make medium format digital pay off for me, at that level the ROI is much lower than I’d like – and that’s before we even count the cost of adding lenses. It’s quite possible that the slight high ISO gain for the D810 may edge this somewhat in Nikon’s favour. I’m just about to get a 645z and I have a question that I can’t seem to find any answer to on the net. I know that there are other variable like lens quality involved as well, but I wanted to get your opinion if possible. ), but I doubt they’ll drop since 645Zs are back ordered until November over here, so if I were the retailers I’d leave the 645D price right where it is and mop up a few desperate customers while I could. ISO 3200 – 645Z on the left, D800E on the right. For the last year or so I am finding myself printing images (poster size or larger) with much more frequency for my clients. It’s impossible to only do bits and pieces unfortunately – everything is somewhat interdependent. But when i when to the store it just feld almost to light (I’m used to the 645d with large lenses). ‘Wideness’ and cramping: it depends if you’re composing primarily along the horizontal axis or the vertical one. Something tells me that usability and lenses aren’t going to be great if it’s a Sony…, […] this post by Ming Thein is from June of 2014, it’s still relevant and makes for an interesting […], […] Thein (including comparison to the 645D, Nikon D800E and Hasselblad CFV-39 […], […] price of the competition. Amazing comparison review with exceptional shots…and as you mentined the D810 makes it even a tougher call…better ISO (e.g.native ISO 64-12800) among others minor improvements but some of them makes sense…. Of course, you still enjoy the gear – even prize it when it’s good. Ming, thank you again for the quality of your insights, reflections, and the production values you incorporate into your blog articles. Below you can see the front view size comparison of Pentax 645D and Pentax 645Z. Pentax 645D vs Pentax 645Z. The 645 is slightly taller so it may give an impression that it’s not as wide? The 645Z still retains the image quality title by some margin. The only one you can buy new is the $18000 US CFV-50. One of the weakest nikkor lens like the 35 and 50 1! Try overpriced low quality c*** that’s inflated in price because of the many layers of middlemen and cronies it has to pass through first. I thought so initially, it being medium format and MF always giving the ‘feel’ of quality stuff, but your review made me doubt my options…, A D810 (or even D750) is more than enough. ‘m planning on getting the Nikon 24-70mm VR if/when it comes out. *The definition of ‘usable’ is also highly dependent on how tolerant you are of shadow noise. The hiSO shots from Part I beggar belief, and downsampling for presentable photos that were actually exposed at 51K is just too mad for words. Mine is fine. It also offers a photographic experience that’s unmatched by any of the other cameras. . There’s plenty of film work from my Hasselblad here. I tried four samples but for me it has horrible distortion at 16-18 fx, so only usable from 24 and 35 is even worse too! Secondly, and more importantly, as you point out the lenses are probably the best available for medium format period – I suspect they may close the gap a little as Pentax has some work to do on that front, and the Zeiss designs were state of the art forty years ago. It seems to me that this was a lot of work for results that you could have predicted with one of your shooting envelope diagrams. Should be on the lens tab of ACR when you open the DNG files. “Ah well, I’m not white or Japanese so frankly Nikon isn’t very interested in working with me.”. I’ve just sold my 645d with all my lenses and was turning towards the nikon. Technically, I think the differences are very small indeed. I suggest renting one before making that big an investment. I can’t really say to a client ‘sorry, product or building X looks different from the wide shot to the closeup because I used a different camera’. Presumably, there’s some clever software or noise reduction circuitry in there to prevent long exposure shadow noise – though this is already slightly higher than for most cameras, it’s not easy to determine if it’s the result of each actual sensor-on time being at least 0.5-1s or something else. Thanks for the birthday reading material, MT! The 645Z is just bananas. How much better is the D810 than the D800e? 250k is not so bad if you really like the CCD look. Hi Ming, I am currently using a 645D and waiting on my 645Z to arrive. Wow! all out) – and that’s perhaps not so sustainable…. Firstly, it’s important to know that all of the images from each set had their white balance set on the same object in the scene, using a 5×5 pixel sample eyedropper; this should be about as close to consistent as possible. Review summary. grip right is landscape. It would be interesting to see how it performs, which I think would be way better than the Kodak sensor they are currently using in the S but not as good as Sony’s sensor. Welcome to part two of the Pentax 645Z review – the first part can be found here. I covered that already in the D810 review here: https://blog.mingthein.com/2014/07/29/nikon-d810-vs-d800e-to-upgrade-or-not/. I agree with Brett, it’s surprising for you to have been able to spin out this work — review and images and the like — while she has been hospitalized with this illness. Put it this way: if exposed properly, it rarely clips. Thanks. Firstly, there’s the whole debate over colour, bit depth and tonal response; I think at least part of that is justified. The bigger difference is going to be flash sync speed, especially if you’re working in a studio. Ming, this is a benchmark review for all other technical reviews out there. If it’s tonal quality, then again the D800/810 exceeds the 645D because it’s a much older camera. This might help: Review: The Pentax 645Z, part II: compared to the 645D, Nikon D800E and Hasselblad CFV-39 What I would do is determine the focal lengths you need and look for the reviews of those lenses. In my experience, I actually feel cramped going to a 1.33:1 ratio for the same EFOV compared to a 1.5:1 ratio. My question to you is this: Even after using color management tools like color checker etc… Would there will be a big difference in the way the ccd images will appear as opposed to the cmos? I conducted some informal tests but didn’t have a chance to present them properly. Pentax 645: D-FA 25/4 SDM, D-FA 55/2.8 SDM, D-FA 90/2.8 SR SDM Macro – and perhaps the FA 200/4 if focused manually with live view. Microcontrast and color rendition are better, and the output simply appears to have more ‘punch’ without being harsh. But it seems to me the D700 requires less tweaking than the D800E. Resolving power There’s also slightly less depth of field (60mm plays 80mm). I’m with you here 100%. So for you the 16-35 is better optically?? And Canon should announce a 5DSR successor soon as well, … And no, I don’t do HDR either. 1.07% larger sensor? the announcement from Canon that they would be releasing the 50mp 5DS body And finally, the CFV combination is really a scalpel: it excels at some things, but definitely isn’t for every situation. While the latter is top notch, I, and no doubt many of your discerning regulars, am particularly drawn by the calibre of your insights (for as long as you care to share them & not go spare with the pressure). The old-fashioned guys dealing with their customer base the old-fashioned way (e.g. Skin tone reproduction is something I have not explored yet. Visit the Teaching Store to up your photographic game – including workshop and Photoshop Workflow videos and the customized Email School of Photography; or go mobile with the Photography Compendium for iPad. Ming, congratulations for such fine reviews. However, it still renders like 35mm. That said, the rationale behind these choices is as follows a) I had access to them; b) to build a more or less complete system would be roughly the same price; Nikon and Pentax new lenses are more expensive than the used screwdriver Pentax FA or Hasselblad V glass; by the time you add everything in, the 645Z is obviously the most expensive option – but also arguably has the highest IQ potential. On the other hand, since Pentax 645D has 29% larger pixel area compared to Pentax 645Z, it has potential to collect more light on pixel level hence have less noise in low light / High ISO images. This isn’t quite the case with the CMOS cameras, which only start to visibly lose dynamic range over about ISO 800 (D800E) or 1600 (645Z). Further information on the two cameras (e.g. Is the 645Z’s upright position portrait or landscape? The D800E still looks much the same as the 645Z, and both don’t appear much different from base ISO. I’d say there’s at least a stop more dynamic range in there, perhaps slightly more than that. The Nikon D800E is available here (B&H, Amazon). Thank you for providing such an EXCELLENT review! There’s a definite difference in the way the Zeiss 2.8/21 renders on the D800E as opposed to the Pentax 25/4 on the 645Z – even though the Pentax is actually wider at an equivalent 19mm horizontal field of view, it doesn’t feel as wide as the Zeiss. The d800e and the d810 seems to be a bargain in comparison to the others (Mf digital backs)! I am a fashion/live style photographer, a large number of my photo shoots are done in a studio. I’m going to read your review a couple of times again…. You have a 100% mechanical camera – any V series body –  and lens on the front that’s of course capable of operating without batteries and independently of the back; you could even (gasp) load film into another back and swap it out if you wish. This is more of an issue for the 645D, because it doesn’t appear to handle overexposure with as much grace and smoothness as the CFV; pixel pitch probably has something to do with it. Both are DSLR (Digital Single Lens Reflex) cameras that are equipped with a medium format sensor. Highlight dynamic range, ISO 800. Hasselblad has the clunky Flexbody and somewhat less clunky Arcbody, but operation of both with digital backs is fraught with risk as you must remove the digital back to focus and frame between every exposure. Highlight dynamic range, ISO 100. The adaptor is pretty thin, so I don’t see any easy way that it could trigger the leaf shutter. 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